A:Letters.
Q:From the WTS...... etc
A: Jawohl. I mean Yes. (Swinehunt) I vas just folloving orderz. Heil.........
Isn't it amazing. Like the Nazis - just following orders.
Yes I'm almost fully awake now Thanks for the info Diest.
rip van winkle
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The Smoking Gun in the Conti Case!
by Diest ini think this thread got lost in the shuffle, so i wanted to make another one.
these are some of the key pages from the deposition of the lead elder, michael lee clarke.
clarke admits he gets his marching orders from the wts.
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Was the Verdict of the Candace Conti lawsuit a Win-Win for the WTS?
by rip van winkle inwhy did the wts not try to settle this lawsuit before going to trial as they had so many times previously?
was it presumptiousness on the part of the society's lawyers and gb?
had this been settled it would have hardly caused a whimper.. it got me to thinking that although the verdict of $28 million is unheard of, it may actually further the wts to make their claims that they are the only true religion.. reason being- if the monetary award is overturned then they will say it was jehovahs will.
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I know CC wanted the Society to change the way it handles abuse cases. That seemed to be her motivation. But they never really accept responsibility for their errors in judgement.
But no matter the outcome- whether the WTS will have to pay-out this sum of money, or whether the award will be over turned, I just think they will ultimately use it as an advantage- somehow.
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Was the Verdict of the Candace Conti lawsuit a Win-Win for the WTS?
by rip van winkle inwhy did the wts not try to settle this lawsuit before going to trial as they had so many times previously?
was it presumptiousness on the part of the society's lawyers and gb?
had this been settled it would have hardly caused a whimper.. it got me to thinking that although the verdict of $28 million is unheard of, it may actually further the wts to make their claims that they are the only true religion.. reason being- if the monetary award is overturned then they will say it was jehovahs will.
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Why did the WTS not try to settle this lawsuit before going to trial as they had so many times previously? Was it presumptiousness on the part of the Society's lawyers and GB? Had this been settled it would have hardly caused a whimper.
It got me to thinking that although the verdict of $28 million is unheard of, it may actually further the WTS to make their claims that they are the only true religion.
Reason being- if the monetary award is overturned then they will say it was Jehovahs will. Like in France when the Gov't tried to have the society pay $50 mil (not sure if that is the right amount) but that was overturned- approx 18 yrs later.
If the WTS verdict is upheld then they will say it is Satan who is trying to destroy the Society and this is the proof we're so close to the end.
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Perks of reaching 50 and over!!!!!
by jam in1) kidnappers are not very interested in you.. 2) in a hostage situation you are likely to be.
released first.. 3) no one expects you to run anywhere.. 4) people call at 9pm (or 9am) and ask, did.
i wake you?.
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Jam, I really needed a good laugh Thanks!
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What do you think?
by rip van winkle inhave we denied jesus by our non-participation of the bread and wine at the memorial?.
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Have we denied Jesus by our non-participation of the bread and wine at the Memorial?
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The latest on blood
by PrincessCynic inso the local elders where i live recently had a big meeting with the hlc elders and i got a brief summary of what was said.
thought i'd share.. it seems the jws aren't capable of making a decision based on their personal conscience.
they are confused by the whole fraction thing and end up refusing the lot 'just in case' or accepting some and refusing others making them look like idiots.
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A rose by any other name...
A fraction or derivative comes from whole blood. Where is the whole blood coming from? Donors. But as jws we are not permitted to give our own blood to then have a fraction of it used in surgery. Fractions began from whole blood. So how is this not hypocrisy.
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A fraction by any other name...
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Do you try to "shape up" for Summer?
by Open mind ina while ago* i set a goal to lose 10 pounds before summer.
today's the day.
i didn't make it.. .
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rip van winkle
Yes. if you consider round a shape!
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This was my 'Sign'
by MsGrowingGirl20 inin my previous post i mentioned that i'm staying in the org because i think i got a sign from god...some of you asked a lot of questions about my sign and even shared the society's view on asking for signs which i didn't know.. i didn't disclose exactly what the sign was.. some of you asked me what it was and even stated that i know that you all would pick apart and prove that my sign was just a frivolous excuse to hold on to the org.. maybe you were right.. so i've decided to tell you all exactly what it was---no embellishments or exaggerations.
i would love to hear your opinions since i'm still in a terrible mess.sometimes i'm 100% this is not the truth then other times i'm 60%....i feel if god was giving me a sign i'd be 100% this is the truth you know?.
so i woke up that morning and organized to go meeting.
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MGG20, let the crazy begin! www.quotes-www.watchtower.co.uk and www.watchtowerlies.com
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This was my 'Sign'
by MsGrowingGirl20 inin my previous post i mentioned that i'm staying in the org because i think i got a sign from god...some of you asked a lot of questions about my sign and even shared the society's view on asking for signs which i didn't know.. i didn't disclose exactly what the sign was.. some of you asked me what it was and even stated that i know that you all would pick apart and prove that my sign was just a frivolous excuse to hold on to the org.. maybe you were right.. so i've decided to tell you all exactly what it was---no embellishments or exaggerations.
i would love to hear your opinions since i'm still in a terrible mess.sometimes i'm 100% this is not the truth then other times i'm 60%....i feel if god was giving me a sign i'd be 100% this is the truth you know?.
so i woke up that morning and organized to go meeting.
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MsGrowingGirl20, I read your post a few days ago and what you said weighed heavily on my mind, as I too was flooded with doubts. For you to have the added burden of worrying about your 12 year old cousin.
I wondered silently for some time. Prayed. Cried. Cried again. Still crying. Confused like you.
It is very scary and lonely to consider that what you have believed in for so long would turn out to be untrue. All I keep asking myself is"How can this be?" I am not a person believing every word. I was not naive.
And still, here I am, like you looking and searching. Why the doubts? Obviously things no longer feel right. That's why you came here. That's why I came here. Because something doesn't seem right or feel right anymore.
I've asked so many questions of myself in the last couple of months. MGG20, never thought I would ever post my thoughts online about thinking and concluding this may be a CULT.
There's too many inconsistencies with the WTS teachings. And even if there are errors, the fact that they have tried to rewrite and hide the true history is evidence of their own doubts about The Truth.
If they had stuck with the bible and they were representatives of the True God, there wouldn't have been all the crazy beliefs over the years.
We as a group have separated ourselves so much from doing good works. Yes, the preaching is part of good works but what about humanity towards our neighbours. Showing love and concern for others without trying to convert someone. Do the witnesses ever do that? We always say we're volunteers in our community. Have we really helped our communities?
And as Londo11 pointed out the 607 bce date. That's a sticking point for me. How happy it would make me to think all the world is wrong and the WTS has it right. Don't even want to get started on the ever changing blood issue.
Still, I haven't a clue as to what I'm planning to do. I know it's got to be a completely confusing time for you as it is for me. Decisions are best made when not under stress or going thru a time of change in their life, so please consider your steps before making any decisions.
The conclusion I am coming to terms with is: I have lost so much time believing in something that for the most part turns out to be a lucrative business with a tight reign of control over the "Free willed" followers. But I haven't made a decision how I'm going to handle this dilemma.
I want to say I owe you a Thank you MGG20. It was due to your post that enabled me to finally express my own misgivings in my post a few days ago. You gave me the courage to do the same. So, maybe you were the answer to my prayer.
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What to do with our money (estate) when we die?
by life is to short inmy husband just gave me the km for june.
i thought the question box was interesting.
it asks the question "what should be kept in mind if we want some or all of our assets to go to jehovah's organization upon our death?".
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rip van winkle
Faith without works is( also) dead. So, maybe leave your money to a homeless shelter, soup kitchen or some other social cause that will help a community.